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Laurent GUERBY, 09/06/2012 01:56
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2 | 34 | Laurent GUERBY | |
3 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | h1. Relais Autonome |
4 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | |
5 | 30 | Laurent GUERBY | Issue #60 |
6 | 30 | Laurent GUERBY | |
7 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Données |
8 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | |
9 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * panneaux PV EUR/W m2/W |
10 | 41 | Laurent GUERBY | ** autour de 1 a 2 EUR/W, fortes baisses http://solarbuzz.com/facts-and-figures/retail-price-environment/module-prices |
11 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | ** poly |
12 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | ** mono 1.2 m2 pour 175W 145W/m2 |
13 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | ** amorphe 1.3 m2 pour 90W 70W/m2 |
14 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * batterie Wh/kg EUR/Wh |
15 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | ** plomb acide |
16 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | *** 22 EUR 12V12Ah = 144Wh 0.15 EUR/Wh 36 Wh/kg Caractéristiques : Dimensions 151x98x97.5mm . Poids 4Kg http://www.priceminister.com/offer?action=desc&aid=280092061 |
17 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | *** 40 EUR 12V18Ah = 216 Wh 0.18 EUR/Wh 37 Wh/kg Caractéristiques : Dimension 181x77x167mm . poids 5,70Kg http://www.priceminister.com/offer?action=desc&aid=114187437 |
18 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | *** 175 EUR 12V100Ah = 1200 Wh 0.15 EUR/Wh 38 Wh/kg Caractéristiques : Dimensions: 328x175x216mm. Poids: 31Kg |
19 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | *** 250 EUR 12 volts 111 Ah = 1332 Wh. 0.19 EUR/Wh 40 Wh/kg (C20) - D: 330x173x220 mm. 33.1 Kg http://www.priceminister.com/offer?action=desc&aid=494856956 |
20 | 53 | Laurent GUERBY | *** 250 EUR camion 60kg 12V 200AH 1200EN / BORNE+G / 518 x 273 x 241 http://www.agram.fr/Magasin-Piece-Rechange/FicheArticle.php?IdArticle=40227 |
21 | 54 | Laurent GUERBY | *** http://www.accus-service.fr/BatteriesIndus.asp |
22 | 54 | Laurent GUERBY | *** loi de peukert http://forum-photovoltaique.fr/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=9010 |
23 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | *** 5-8 EUR/kg |
24 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | ** LiFePO4 |
25 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | *** 545 USD = 440 EUR 24V30Ah = 720 Wh 0.61 EUR/Wh 96 Wh/kg 7.50 kg Small Size: 300x105x150 mm http://www.pingbattery.com/servlet/the-V2.5-LiFePO4-Battery-Packs/Categories |
26 | 56 | Laurent GUERBY | *** http://forum-photovoltaique.fr/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11020 |
27 | 57 | Laurent GUERBY | *** http://www.southampton.ac.uk/mediacentre/news/2012/feb/12_24.shtml |
28 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * kit |
29 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | ** PV 100W + 12V90Ah 799 EUR http://www.solar-kit.com/epages/62035995.sf/fr_BE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62035995/Products/%22kit-panneau-solaire-camping-car-mobile-home-%28500Wh/jour%29%22 |
30 | 23 | Laurent GUERBY | |
31 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Systemes |
32 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | |
33 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.energiemobile.com/modulosite2/energie-mobile.htm |
34 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * 12W amorphe + batterie 12V 5Ah + chargeur 249.90 http://www.conrad.fr/kit_panneau_solaire_12_w_p_50682_50748_854189_563341_FAS |
35 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * 24W amorphe + batterie 12V 15Ah + chargeur 339.95 http://www.conrad.fr/kit_panneau_solaire_24_w_p_50682_50742_853686_715796_FAS |
36 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * Arduino MPPT http://www.timnolan.com/index.php?page=arduino-ppt-solar-charger |
37 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_power_point_tracker |
38 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * Kermeur |
39 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | ** http://blog.lekermeur.net/?page_id=252 |
40 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | ** http://www.lekermeur.net/lndkavr/ |
41 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | ** http://blog.lekermeur.net/?p=1271 |
42 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | ** http://blog.lekermeur.net/?page_id=287 |
43 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | RB433, 2 minipci R52 ~ 15V 250 mA = 3.75W Ca fait 90 Wh par jour soit 15 euros et 2.7 kg par jour d'autonomie sur une batterie plomb, il faut encore multiplier par 2 ou 3 pour eviter de decharger trop. |
44 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | 2 panneaux 65Wc + batterie 110AH => coupures en decembre/janvier |
45 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | 2 panneaux de 80Wc et une batterie de 150AH => Ok |
46 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * Relai Solaire http://lists.vaour.net/pipermail/ran/2012-June/008031.html |
47 | 52 | Laurent GUERBY | Ici, c'est un panneau 130Wc et une batterie 200Ah pour un 54gl et une PS5. Ãa tient la semaine du 21 décembre même quand il fait très très nuageux dans les quelques heures de jour par journée |
48 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * Test par Olivier |
49 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | ** [[Test_du_kit_Photovoltaique_Ekko_12W_pour_alimenter_un_WRT_autonome]] |
50 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * production http://www.bdpv.fr |
51 | 40 | Laurent GUERBY | ** a Toulouse en moyenne mensuelle polycristallin 1h/jour en décembre/janvier et jusqu'a 5h/jour en avril-juin |
52 | 46 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/apps/radmonth.php?lang=fr&map=europe |
53 | 47 | Laurent GUERBY | ** quotidienne http://photovoltaique.bojolpif.com/news/production-decembre-2011.html |
54 | 48 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=1598 |
55 | 49 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://pvoutput.org/map.jsp?p=0&country=83 |
56 | 50 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=1681&sid=1275&v=0&t=w |
57 | 51 | Laurent GUERBY | ** remarques : certains jours a moins de 5mn de production nominale, sur une semaine moyenne basse a 15mn/jour. |
58 | 43 | Laurent GUERBY | * orientation |
59 | 43 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.ef4.be/fr/photovoltaique/aspects-techniques/orientation-structure.html |
60 | 44 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.cipcsp.com/tutorial/ensoleillement-france.html |
61 | 44 | Laurent GUERBY | * tracker DIY |
62 | 43 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://em.ch.free.fr/tipe/docs/dossier.pdf |
63 | 55 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.enerzine.com/14/14054+les-energies-renouvelables-sont-de-plus-en-plus-concurrentielles+.html |
64 | 55 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.irena.org/DocumentDownloads/Publications/RE_Technologies_Cost_Analysis-WIND_POWER.pdf |
65 | 55 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.irena.org/DocumentDownloads/Publications/RE_Technologies_Cost_Analysis-SOLAR_PV.pdf |
66 | 55 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.irena.org/DocumentDownloads/Publications/RE_Technologies_Cost_Analysis-HYDROPOWER.pdf |
67 | 55 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.irena.org/DocumentDownloads/Publications/RE_Technologies_Cost_Analysis-CSP.pdf |
68 | 55 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.irena.org/DocumentDownloads/Publications/RE_Technologies_Cost_Analysis-BIOMASS.pdf |
69 | 55 | Laurent GUERBY | ** http://www.irena.org/DocumentDownloads/Publications/Renewable_Energy_Jobs_and_Access.pdf |
70 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | |
71 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Liens |
72 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | |
73 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.lilegal.org/ |
74 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | expérimentation post-industriel a qqs km de Toulouse, éoliennes auto construites, lilian dot chardon at orange.fr 06 14 16 79 23 |
75 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://infracom-france.com/blog2/?p=9690 |
76 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * Poste d'alim autonome "tout prêt": http://landashop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=solar&osCsid=t05of5248n5f8bmgptksub3d10&x=0&y=0 |
77 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://technoblogtroisieme.unblog.fr/ |
78 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://technoblogtroisieme.unblog.fr/2012/05/18/recharger-son-portable-a-lessence/ |
79 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | |
80 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Mats |
81 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | |
82 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * CTA : http://www.cta-pylones.com/ |
83 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * Leclerc : http://www.antennes-leclerc.fr/ |
84 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * mat alu telescopique http://www.batima-electronic.com/spip.php?article160 |
85 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * eolien http://www.ase-energy.com/mat-haubane-universel-7m-pour-eolienne,fr,4,MAT7M.cfm |
86 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | * eolien http://www.aurore-energies.com/eolienne/mat_universel_de_6_metres_a_4_haubans/mat_6m_pour_petite_eolienne_mat_haubane.html |
87 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | |
88 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | |
89 | 39 | Laurent GUERBY | |
90 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Panneaux solaires |
91 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | |
92 | 7 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.motto-engineering.eu/en/products/solar/schott-solar/ |
93 | 6 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.mercateo.com/q?query=solarmarkt&catcat=live~showGrossColumn* |
94 | 2 | Julien Aubé | * http://www.ebay.de/itm/Schott-Solar-ASI-103-Photovoltaik-Solar-Solarmodul-/220871992555?pt=Solaranlagen&hash=item336cff24eb#ht_1312wt_1141 |
95 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.simple-et-solaire.com/panneau-solaire/panneau-solaire-12v/panneau-solaire-amorphe-95wc.html |
96 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.birdenergy.fr/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=26 (Régulateurs multi-entrée Solaire/Eolien/hydro) |
97 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.energiemobile.com/modulosite2/catalogue-produits.htm |
98 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.vaa-solarhandel.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/08.11.2011-Module-WR-Kombi-BHKW-Sonstiges-Grundst%C3%BCck-Solarkabel-Gesuche.pdf |
99 | 27 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.evotrend.de/sonderangebote.html |
100 | 13 | Laurent GUERBY | |
101 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Photovoltaique amorphe |
102 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | |
103 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.terra-eco.com/-Panneaux-solaires-photovoltaiques- |
104 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.equipsolar.fr/equipsolar.php?rb=2&pg=0 |
105 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://ecatalog.tritec.info/index.php/language/fr/cat/c135_Schott-Solar-ASI-Thin-Film.html |
106 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.globosolar.fr/materiel-photovoltaique/panneaux-photovoltaiques/schott-solar.html |
107 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.tritec-energy.com/en/solar-modules/schott-asi-series-the-next-generation-c-135/ |
108 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.surtec.fr/catalog/panneau-solaire-amorphe-cPath84.html |
109 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.elysun.fr/module-photovoltaique-amorphe-schott-asi-100w.html |
110 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://pvinsights.com/ |
111 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.sunelec.com/suntech-solar-panel-220-watts-3420-vmp-p-1363.html |
112 | 19 | Laurent GUERBY | |
113 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Batteries |
114 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | |
115 | 13 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.energiedouce.com/batterie-au-gel-a-decharge-profonde-12v-110ah-victron-energy.html |
116 | 5 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.installer-panneau-materiel-solaire.com/batteries/?mod=ecommerce&prid=&rid=4&type=pro&marque=&prix=&autre=&page=0 |
117 | 20 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.maurelma.ch/shop/index.php?cat=WG101&product=740089 |
118 | 28 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://shop.ebay.fr/mtk-handel/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 |
119 | 3 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.all-batteries.fr/ |
120 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | |
121 | 3 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Piles a combustible |
122 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | |
123 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | Piles au methanol pour les caravanes avec un modele en vente (ebay & boutiques meme sur Toulouse) autour de 2000 euros pour 25W (12V * 2A) de capacité, petite boite 43,5 x 20,0 x 27,6 cm / 6.5 kg et 0.9 litre de methanol par kWh produit. A 10W cela fait 45 jours d'autonomie pour 40 euros la recharge de 10 litres. |
124 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | |
125 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://energieplanete.secondes.info/prix-des-piles-a-combustible-efoy/ |
126 | 29 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.efoy.com/fr/piles-a-combustible-produits.html |
127 | 29 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.le-camping-car.com/forum/electricite-energie-autonomie-f71/pile-combustible-efoy-t50.html |
128 | 29 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=efoy&_sacat=See-All-Categories |
129 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://www.efoy-comfort.com/fr/donn%C3%A9es-techniques-0 |
130 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | |
131 | 9 | Laurent GUERBY | |
132 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Eolien |
133 | 9 | Laurent GUERBY | |
134 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.aerial.net/shop/index.php?cPath=104 |
135 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.aerial.net/shop/product/1101/macrowind-400w-12v-6-blades.html |
136 | 18 | Laurent GUERBY | * Test de petites eoliennes http://www.bettergeneration.com/green-energy-reviews.html |
137 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | * En haute garonne installateur vendeur : http://www.krugwind.com/ |
138 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | * Test SEPEN http://www.sepen-montplaisir.fr/ |
139 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petit_%C3%A9olien |
140 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | |
141 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Forums |
142 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | |
143 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://forum-photovoltaique.fr/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=22015 |
144 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | * http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=57601 |
145 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=45990&p=259224&hilit=fuel+cell#p237245 |
146 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | |
147 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | h2. Solutions radio |
148 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | |
149 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://shop.snootlab.com/lang-en/33-communication |
150 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://jeelabs.com/products/jeenode |
151 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | |
152 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Technologie |
153 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | |
154 | 45 | Laurent GUERBY | * comparaison type PV http://researchrepository.murdoch.edu.au/501/2/02Whole.pdf |
155 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.posharp.com/photovoltaic/panelefficiency/database.aspx |
156 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | * http://www.freeenergyeurope.com/htm/FEE_solar_panel_test_results.htm |
157 | 36 | Laurent GUERBY | |
158 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | > Cell Type: The type of silicon that comprises a specific cell, based on the cell manufacturing process. Each cell type has pros and cons. Monocrystalline PV cells are the most expensive and energy intensive to produce but usually yield the highest efficiencies. Though polycrystalline and ribbon silicon cells are slightly less energy intensive and less expensive to produce, these cells are slightly less efficient than monocrystalline cells. However, because both poly- and ribbon silicon panels leave fewer gaps on the panel surface (due to square or rectangular cell shapes), these panels can often offer about the same power density as monocrystalline modules. Thin-film panels, such as those made from amorphous silicon cells, are the least expensive to produce and require the least amount of energy and raw materials, but are the least efficient of the cell types. They require about twice as much space to produce the same power as mono-, poly-, or ribbon-silicon panels. Thin-film panels do have better shade tolerance and high-temperature performance but are often more expensive to install because of their lower power density. |
159 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | > Sanyoâs "bifacial" HIT panels are composed of a monocrystalline cell and a thin layer of amorphous silicon material. In addition to generating power from the direct rays of the sun on the panel face, this hybrid panel can produce power from reflected light on its underside, increasing overall panel efficiency. |
160 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | > Cells in Series: Number of individual PV cells wired in series, which determines the panel design voltage. Crystalline PV cells operate at about 0.5V. When cells are wired in series, the voltage of each cell is additive. For example, a panel that has 36 cells in series has a maximum power voltage (Vmp) of about 18V. Why 36? Historically, panels known as 12V were designed to push power into 12V batteries. But to deliver the 12V, they needed to have enough excess voltage (electrical pressure) to compensate for the voltage loss due to high temperature conditions. Panels with 36 ("12V") or 72 ("24V") cells are designed for battery-charging applications. |
161 | 37 | Laurent GUERBY | > Panels with other numbers of cells in series are intended for use in grid-tied systems. Due to the increased availability of step-down/MPPT battery charge controllers, grid-tied panel |
162 | 37 | Laurent GUERBY | |
163 | 37 | Laurent GUERBY | |
164 | 38 | Laurent GUERBY | h2. Misc |
165 | 35 | Laurent GUERBY | |
166 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | Il faudra sans doute 50 a 100W de panneau photovoltaique pour un relai, on trouve du 90W amorphe pour 121 euros livrés : |
167 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | |
168 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | http://www.ebay.de/itm/Schott-Solar-ASI-90-Dunnschicht-Solarmodul-/250927063886?pt=Solaranlagen&hash=item3a6c6b234e#ht_500wt_1413 |
169 | 35 | Laurent GUERBY | |
170 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | 20kg de batterie (100 euros) + panneau (121 euros) + regulateur (50 ?) + matos wifi et antennes (300 ?) ~ 600 euros. |
171 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | |
172 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | http://www.interprojekt.com.pl/mikrotik-routerboard-level-64mb-3xlan-3xminipci-p-394.html |
173 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | http://www.interprojekt.com.pl/mikrotik-routerboard-r52nm-minipci-p-898.html |
174 | 15 | Laurent GUERBY | http://www.interprojekt.com.pl/mikrotik-routerboard-r52hn-300mbps-80211abgn-high-p-745.html |
175 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | MIMO et dual 2.4/5.5 |
176 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | |
177 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | Une solution alternative : |
178 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | |
179 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | - un routerboard a la place du switch |
180 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | - un cable pieuvre power jack 1 femelle vers 8 males |
181 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | - une alimentation de portable 19V 3.42A |
182 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | - un splitter PoE passif |
183 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | - des injecteurs PoE passif |
184 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | |
185 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | http://shop.varia-store.com/product_info.php?info=p1052_MikroTik-RouterBOARD-750--RB750--RB-750--Level-4-300-MHz.html |
186 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-1-8-Power-Cable-CCTV-Camera-DVR-Save-Adapter-/320442726434?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9bdff822 |
187 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | http://cgi.ebay.com/PoE-Power-Over-Ethernet-Injector-Splitter-Adpater-Kit-/120719762126?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1b7562ce |
188 | 16 | Laurent GUERBY | http://cgi.ebay.com/Acer-Notebook-AC-Adapter-Charger-19V-3-42A-5-5mm-2-1mm-/270686346419?pt=Laptop_Adapters_Chargers&hash=item3f0629dcb3 |
189 | 35 | Laurent GUERBY | |
190 | 35 | Laurent GUERBY | L'avantage du routerboard est qu'il accepte 9 a 28V DC en alimentation donc a peu pres comme les ubiquity et que ses temperatures de fonctionnement sont tres larges de -40 a +55C. |
191 | 1 | Olivier FONTES | La doc du routerboard n'est pas tres claire sur la taille du power jack est-ce 5.5/2.0 ou le plus standard 5.5/2.1 ? |